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	<title>Comments on: Suicide: the one truly serious philosophical problem &#8212; Camus</title>
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		<title>By: University Diaries &#187; Suicidology</title>
		<link>http://thefloatinglibrary.com/2009/04/20/suicide-the-one-truly-serious-philosophical-problem-camus/#comment-3321</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 13:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] jumped off of his balcony during a fight with his wife. Some suicides, as Camus wrote, are &#8220;prepared within the silence of the heart&#8221; &#8211; but not [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] jumped off of his balcony during a fight with his wife. Some suicides, as Camus wrote, are &#8220;prepared within the silence of the heart&#8221; &#8211; but not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sineokov</title>
		<link>http://thefloatinglibrary.com/2009/04/20/suicide-the-one-truly-serious-philosophical-problem-camus/#comment-2214</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I will definitely check out &quot;Wind, Sand and Stars&quot; -- sounds excellent! (Funny, I never read &quot;The Little Prince&quot;... I haven&#039;t read &quot;The Rebel&quot; yet either.)

I too got burned out on philosophy, but still find some of the literary/poetic/mystical/continental/existential-leaning philosophy interesting at times. I guess I now prefer pretty language to big ideas -- the latter cased in the former being the only philosophy I&#039;ll take the time to read.

Your last paragraph sounds awfully Nietzschean, does it not?

Perhaps the fundamental questions of philosophy are better engaged in works of literature?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will definitely check out &#8220;Wind, Sand and Stars&#8221; &#8212; sounds excellent! (Funny, I never read &#8220;The Little Prince&#8221;&#8230; I haven&#8217;t read &#8220;The Rebel&#8221; yet either.)</p>
<p>I too got burned out on philosophy, but still find some of the literary/poetic/mystical/continental/existential-leaning philosophy interesting at times. I guess I now prefer pretty language to big ideas &#8212; the latter cased in the former being the only philosophy I&#8217;ll take the time to read.</p>
<p>Your last paragraph sounds awfully Nietzschean, does it not?</p>
<p>Perhaps the fundamental questions of philosophy are better engaged in works of literature?</p>
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		<title>By: Torn Halves</title>
		<link>http://thefloatinglibrary.com/2009/04/20/suicide-the-one-truly-serious-philosophical-problem-camus/#comment-2194</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Torn Halves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 07:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the way you rewrite the question which is fundamental for Camus (and for many others). However, it is wrong (I hesitate to add) that the answer to the question of How To Live is to be found in philosophy. I write as someone who has spent a couple of decades wandering around the dusty aisles of philosophy looking for an answer to just that question (the best years of my life - gone!). I found nothing substantive. However, I admit that I didn&#039;t get round to reading any Kierkegaard. Maybe the answer was there. 

This summer I read (almost by accident) &quot;Wind, Sand and Stars&quot; by Saint-Exupery - a work of literature, definitely not philosophy - and it was practically an epiphany. There were no answers to questions, but there was a resounding affirmation of life that moved me practically to tears - an affirmation of what I already knew - of course - but which could never be framed as the conclusion of a philosophical argument. 

The fundamental question of philosophy since Descartes is Truth (not the meaning of life). Philosophy becomes the critique of metaphysics. Philosophy has not been able to spin out any substantive truths (of the sort that we might be able to live by) from some synthetic a priori, as Kant hoped, but it has been able to launch interesting criticisms of other people&#039;s everyday ideas about where the Truth lies (in the heavens, in the sciences, in your gut feelings, etc). 

For philosophy to guide life it would have to legislate, but when people grant a right to philosophers to legislate the chances are that it won&#039;t be long before they roll out the guillotine. This (I think) is the basic idea Camus was trying to defend in The Rebel - a much better book that the Myth of Sisyphus. 

Philosophy of the useful sort knows that it is useless. Its utility lies in clearing the way for an affirmation of life which is free of illusions. That affirmation, though, can only occur on the terrain of life - pre-philosophical life - life in the phone booth, if you like. It cannot occur on the dusty etherial plane of philosophy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the way you rewrite the question which is fundamental for Camus (and for many others). However, it is wrong (I hesitate to add) that the answer to the question of How To Live is to be found in philosophy. I write as someone who has spent a couple of decades wandering around the dusty aisles of philosophy looking for an answer to just that question (the best years of my life &#8211; gone!). I found nothing substantive. However, I admit that I didn&#8217;t get round to reading any Kierkegaard. Maybe the answer was there. </p>
<p>This summer I read (almost by accident) &#8220;Wind, Sand and Stars&#8221; by Saint-Exupery &#8211; a work of literature, definitely not philosophy &#8211; and it was practically an epiphany. There were no answers to questions, but there was a resounding affirmation of life that moved me practically to tears &#8211; an affirmation of what I already knew &#8211; of course &#8211; but which could never be framed as the conclusion of a philosophical argument. </p>
<p>The fundamental question of philosophy since Descartes is Truth (not the meaning of life). Philosophy becomes the critique of metaphysics. Philosophy has not been able to spin out any substantive truths (of the sort that we might be able to live by) from some synthetic a priori, as Kant hoped, but it has been able to launch interesting criticisms of other people&#8217;s everyday ideas about where the Truth lies (in the heavens, in the sciences, in your gut feelings, etc). </p>
<p>For philosophy to guide life it would have to legislate, but when people grant a right to philosophers to legislate the chances are that it won&#8217;t be long before they roll out the guillotine. This (I think) is the basic idea Camus was trying to defend in The Rebel &#8211; a much better book that the Myth of Sisyphus. </p>
<p>Philosophy of the useful sort knows that it is useless. Its utility lies in clearing the way for an affirmation of life which is free of illusions. That affirmation, though, can only occur on the terrain of life &#8211; pre-philosophical life &#8211; life in the phone booth, if you like. It cannot occur on the dusty etherial plane of philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sineokov</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the darkly amusing comment. I thought I should but was unwilling to reread this Camus passage, the details of which I don&#039;t remember at all, before responding to you. I think you&#039;re right that contemplating/committing suicide has very little to do with philosophy in the intellectually-rigorous-discipline sense in which we are accustomed to think of it.

But if we take the fundamental question of philosophy to be How To Live, and then take the issue of suicide as a metaphor, or synecdoche, for that question (for is not suicide a solution to the problem of existence, albeit at an ugly polar extreme of possible solutions?) . . . I think Camus chose to write about the issue of whether or not to commit suicide at least in part because it is dark, dramatic, controversial, eye-catching -- while a more down-to-earth version of his fundamental question of philosophy might be rather, as we said, &quot;How should I live my life?&quot;

But I&#039;ll grant you this: loitering outside of phone booths is VERY existential.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the darkly amusing comment. I thought I should but was unwilling to reread this Camus passage, the details of which I don&#8217;t remember at all, before responding to you. I think you&#8217;re right that contemplating/committing suicide has very little to do with philosophy in the intellectually-rigorous-discipline sense in which we are accustomed to think of it.</p>
<p>But if we take the fundamental question of philosophy to be How To Live, and then take the issue of suicide as a metaphor, or synecdoche, for that question (for is not suicide a solution to the problem of existence, albeit at an ugly polar extreme of possible solutions?) . . . I think Camus chose to write about the issue of whether or not to commit suicide at least in part because it is dark, dramatic, controversial, eye-catching &#8212; while a more down-to-earth version of his fundamental question of philosophy might be rather, as we said, &#8220;How should I live my life?&#8221;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll grant you this: loitering outside of phone booths is VERY existential.</p>
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		<title>By: Torn Halves</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Torn Halves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what&#039;s your take on this? Is Camus saying anything interesting here about suicide? IMO he is not. He is trying to make suicide into a philosophical issue, but surely it is almost never a philosophical issue for people who are serious about suicide, and not just idly toying with the idea, as Camus is. If I decide to shoot myself in the head, it will most likely be because MY life is unbearable, not because I have been musing upon life in general or loitering outside phone booths, being struck by the apparent emptiness of the gestures of the strangers making the calls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s your take on this? Is Camus saying anything interesting here about suicide? IMO he is not. He is trying to make suicide into a philosophical issue, but surely it is almost never a philosophical issue for people who are serious about suicide, and not just idly toying with the idea, as Camus is. If I decide to shoot myself in the head, it will most likely be because MY life is unbearable, not because I have been musing upon life in general or loitering outside phone booths, being struck by the apparent emptiness of the gestures of the strangers making the calls.</p>
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